COVID Blogging and Anti-Vaccine Rehetoric

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I began my COVID blogging during the shutdown in March and April. My first interest was personal, in that, I heard various things in the media, and as a physician with the skills to research things, I wanted to check out the veracity of the claims. That launched many blogs. However, now, I’m concerned that I need to stop blogging on this topic because of the anti-vaccine crowd. Let me explain.

Traveling Down the Rabbit Hole

When I first began to test the statements of the media about COVID, it was super-fascinating. Most of the hyperbolic media statements didn’t match up to medical and research reality. The more I dug and the more information I found, the crazier the disconnect got. However, my recent post on getting vaccinated for COVID opened up a dangerous can of worms.

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Pro-Choice Vaccine?

All vaccines work on a societal level only if there is herd immunity. Meaning, enough people get vaccinated so that the virus is more likely than not to end up in a host who has the ability to kill it. Vaccines simply don’t work well if only some people get them. That’s why the idea of “vaccine choice” is so problematic. In addition, even if the rate of vaccine side effects is extremely low, how is it fair for some people to take that risk and protect the community while others forego the risk and get protected by those who took the risk? That’s like me being responsible for paying for your car insurance.

Vaccines Are the World’s Most Natural Product

The goal of a vaccine is to stimulate your body’s own natural immune response. That makes a vaccine a natural medicine. Usually, that happens by exposing the patient to a dead virus or one part of the virus. In this vaccine, that means exposing the body to the spike protein on the SARS-CoV2 virus.

My Own Vaccine Experience

Early on in the pandemic, our clinic invested in FDA EUA certified serologic cassettes for our own internal use. They only require a drop of blood and we have been using them to track the exposure of our employees to the virus and using that plus constant monitoring to keep our staff and patients safe. Add to that UVC bulbs in our air handler, HEPA/UVC room filtration, UVC deactivation of our rooms every night, disinfectants, a virtual waiting room, etc… and we were doing MUCH more to protect patients and staff at Regenexx Colorado HQ than the very rich health systems in our community.

Our employees began to get their vaccinations about 2-3 weeks ago. Some have just begun to check their antibody status using the serologic cassettes we have in the office. I was hearing from staff that everyone who tested was observing new antibodies, so yesterday I checked myself. Above is my cassette. The “C” line is the control to make sure enough blood was added. The “G” line is long-term antibodies known as “IgG”. The faint M line would be acute infection antibodies known as “IgM”. My cassette shows COVID-19 immunity.

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Amazing Vaccine Results

When I had staff test me yesterday, I was 15 days post-vaccine. The fact that I now have IgG antibodies after just over two weeks is nothing short of remarkable. Above is a graph from a study of antibodies after COVID-19 onset (1). If you look at the “2” on the horizontal axis (Weels after Onset of Symptoms”) and follow that up to the darker IgG line, I should have a very low titer of antibodies at this point. However, after a single shot, I’m already at a healthy titer (in this serologic test, the darkness of that line is directly related to the titer).

Amazing Science

I am blown away that two weeks out from my first Moderna vaccine I have a strong showing of COVID protective antibodies! Remember, this is a two-shot series and I have only had the first shot.

The science behind this medical miracle is nothing short of astounding. In addition, others who are testing in our office are showing the same results. Given what we know about antibodies and vaccines, I have little doubt that this vaccine is the COVID killer. Despite that, we have a serious vaccine trust problem being fueled by a natural health industry that is concerned that its ability to push “COVID protective” supplement products will soon be ended.

Our Country’s Vaccine Problem

Above are the results of several polls on who would get vaccinated against COVID-19. Note that we still have 39% who are saying that they either probably or definitely won’t get the vaccine. Given that we need about 60-70% of the population to get vaccinated to get to herd immunity, that could be a very serious issue. In fact, speaking yesterday, former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb thinks the number who will actually get vaccinated is far less (2). He believes that only about 120 million people out of our 329 million (36%) will end up getting vaccinated. If he’s right, that’s far below herd immunity, even with natural immunity thrown in. In that scenario, this virus could well have time to mutate so that these vaccines are ineffective as we slog through the winter of 2021-2022 with more lockdowns and a faltering economy.

A Dangerous Trend

When I began blogging on this topic, my goal was to see where the data would lead me and report back. However, I’m now beginning to feel more like part of the problem more than part of the solution. Meaning that while my analysis of the data supports many things that counter the media hype, by continuing to supply that information, am I creating a group of people who will avoid getting vaccinated because they just don’t believe this is all that bad?

If that’s where you find yourself as a reader of this blog, I want to make sure I’m 100% clear:

  1. You should wear masks everyplace you’re instructed to do. As an example, you’re not getting into my office without one (we have refused to treat several people who won’t wear masks).
  2. This is a real virus that can kill the wrong people. That’s mostly the elderly, but in less common scenarios, it’s also sometimes the young.
  3. You need to get vaccinated. We have about 1 in 5 Americans whose businesses are failing because of our response. So getting to herd immunity as quickly as possible is the ONLY way that stops.

My Response

I can’t control what my readers do, but I can control what I do. I’ll be taking a break from COVID blogging for awhile. Frankly, the concept of letting others take the risks of this new vaccine and “vaccine choice” doesn’t sit well with my World War II upbringing. Meaning my Dad did his part in that war, knowing that he could have died, but that’s what needed to be done. Everybody did. In that world, the idea of getting a smallpox vaccine was a badge of honor in how science was triumphing over millennia of disease. Hence, the idea of vaccine choice is like the guys who stormed Normandy saying that they just didn’t feel up to getting up early that morning on June, 5th 1944. So I’m out for now.

The upshot? I was blown away by my antibody response to the Moderna vaccine. I don’t own any stock in that company nor do I have any relationship with them. However, I am a doctor who believes in natural solutions and this is a good one. Because we clearly need to get everyone vaccinated asap, I will stop COVID blogging for awhile. Time to exit stage left on this topic.

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References:

(1) Li G, Chen X, Xu A. Profile of specific antibodies to the SARS-associated coronavirus. N Engl J Med. 2003 Jul 31;349(5):508-9. doi: 10.1056/NEJM200307313490520. PMID: 12890855.

(2) CNBC. Dr. Scott Gottlieb estimates only about 120 million people in U.S. really want Covid vaccine. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/covid-vaccine-dr-scott-gottlieb-estimates-only-120-million-americans-really-want-it.html Accessed 1/20/21

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51 thoughts on “COVID Blogging and Anti-Vaccine Rehetoric

  1. Bre

    I really enjoy hearing your input, honestly as a conservative I’ve always been pro-vaccine but 2020 has been a crazy year, after reading your blogs, I feel a lot better about it. Skeptics have said “it was rushed” but I see it as an example of what money and power can accomplish when in the right hands. I’m sad to see the Covid blog go, but I’m glad you got out so much important, unbiased information.

  2. Paras Shah

    Dr Centeno

    Any results about the antibody response to the Pfizer vaccine.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      I have only antibody tested one person 2 weeks out from the Pfizer vaccine, so no real results yet. We all got the Moderna vaccine.

  3. Glena

    I don’t think you’re having been a voice for reason has promoted any “anti-vaccine” agenda. This is what’s called the “chilling” effect of propaganda or soft censorship; one begins to self-censor because one becomes convinced that “people can’t handle the truth.” Sad to see your take on the covid madness end.

  4. Bob Orchard

    As someone in his 70’s, I’ve seen the effect of the smallpox and polio vaccines in the 1950’s and 60’s. It is so difficult to believe that people would not be able to understand the amazing results that vaccines have had in my lifetime. Hopefully both American and Canadians will do better than the polls suggest. I for one look forward to the border between Canada and the USA being open again soon. My wife and I have both benefitted from PPR and Stem Cell treatments at Regenexx. I’m hoping to be able to visit Dr. Fenton in Vermont at some point in the future but until we get better control of this virus, that cannot happen.

  5. Fain Zimmerman

    We still have no idea about the long-term effects of the vaccine. That is why I hesitate. I understand that most vaccines are tested for several years, not months.

  6. Lisa

    Thank you for your input, I always enjoy your articles, however,
    The fact that I am legally liable and vaccine companies cannot be sued if I suffer life changing side effects, I deserve the right to choose to vaccinate. Numerous studies have been done on vaccine side effects, mercury, aluminum ingredients that cause a great many health issues, and it’s seen with American children being over inoculated….vaccines have risks. I collapsed in the doctors office from right after receiving a rubella vaccine…I’m happy for u that you have had no issues from taking the vaccine but pls respect those of us who disagree…thank you🙏🏻

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      There is no credible peer-reviewed information that supports your comments.

  7. Joe

    Good!
    I was very disappointed reading Dr. Centeno’s blog last summer regarding the lack of quality clinical data showing that wearing health mask would reduce Covid transmission. Even though the writeup was scientifically sound, it might have fed the “mask denier” crowd.

  8. June Winfield

    Dr. Centeno, I’m very sorry to see your COVID blog stop. I have been reading since you began your blog and sincerely appreciate all the time, research and effort you have taken to present important information in a straight-forward, easy to understand, unbiased manner. Thank you!

  9. Russell

    I haves masters degree in health, and I’ve spent literally a minimum of 2 hrs/day for over 12 months researching COVID (being retired, I have time). Your input has been invaluable to me and my wife. I have been following you and subscribing to your blog since March. Thank you for your input. We will be taking the vaccine.

  10. Ray Nicholus

    I really enjoy reading your blogs and am a patient at Regenexx along with my wife.

    This is how I see it. If we need herd immunity to get rid of masks and social distancing and if we get herd immunity by getting 70-80% of the population vaccinated but 40% don’t want to get vaccinated, logic would dictate that either we force them to get vaccinated or I will be forced to wear a mask forever. What am I missing

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      You got it about right! If 40% of the US population refuses to be vaccinated and we get 90% of the other 60% vaccinated, throw in 10-20% natural immunity and we likely won’t get to “herd immunity” quickly enough to end the social distancing and destruction of our economy. So not getting vaccinated here means that you are participating in creating the next great depression as governments can’t continue to print trillions of dollars for very long before hyperinflation takes hold.

  11. sven

    Dr. C

    I’m just writing to think you for your latest blog. It is a terrific combo of science understandably explained and a personal account of what is really, a historic moment, writ large.

    I have already forwarded to a dozen friends.

    i’m disappointed not to have the benefit of your work, experience and perspective, should you decide to can your covid blogs.

    Thank you.

  12. Margaret L

    I am a Stage 3-C genetic mutation ovarian cancer that has just finished my six rounds of chemo and two surgeries back to back …. my white count is still low. I just got my CA-125 numbers back and it was 7 . Before surgery it was 500 then after surgery it was 27…. I was 99.9% cancer free.
    I started today the new approved Parp pill Lynparza ….. it has side effects as did my chemo but I have tolerated them well for my 4’11’’ 94 pound 60 year old self!
    So are you saying that Mardema is the best vaccine out now and if I take the vaccine I won’t get COVID-19 ever?
    Can recent cancer patients take the vaccine safely? I am so very afraid of all the mixing of chemicals in my body right now! You tell me as a doctor would you give this vaccine to your mother, wife, child now after just being exposed to cancer treatments and cancer? I know someone who knows you personally and said I could trust you and your answer!
    Thank you!

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      You are at a substantially higher risk of dying from severe COVID due to your chemo and compromised immune system. The Moderna vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate, so there is approximately a 95% chance that you won’t get severe COVID. You should review whether or not you are a vaccine candidate with your treating oncologist.

  13. J. Michael Carbonniere

    I have run across several people who say they won’t get the vaccine “because they don’t trust the government.” Ok, I dont trust the government either but I don’t think that, other thsn paying huge sums of money for development, they don’t really have much to do with it! Even the approval is no more than some desk jocky (maybe a doctor, maybe not!) looking at the numbers the developers provide and deciding if it’s worth the risk or not. What really corks me is that most of these folks are my age (late 60’s), so my question to them is “What do you think might happen if you get the vaccine? You turn 65 and your left leg is going to be shorter than right? You’re maybe going to grow an extra ear on your butt?” We’re already past the 65 mark so we’re not going to live long enough to worry about how long our legs will be in 40 years and who cares about an extra ear? I’d be happy if the damn thing doesn’t ring like my 2 old one’s! Not getting this new kind of vaccine is plain stupid and I don’t hesitate to tell my peers that. I will in the line to get my shot as soon as it’s available for me! I would prefer to get the Moderna version, only because I think there is less chance of the transportation system messing up the temperature control but if all they have is the Pfizer, I’ll still get it… and I’ll take my chances with any side effects!
    Cheers,
    jc

  14. Alana

    Thank you so much for your intelligent research & passion to know the truth. Sorry to hear you won’t be blogging on vaccines any longer. There is a lot of ignorance out there, a lot of misinformation and disinformation & a lot of resistance. I say keep blogging! People need to hear the scientific truth. I agree that we all need to get the vaccine asap … or the state of our country & the world will be in bad shape for a long time to come. ERADICATE COVID!

  15. Frank Romeo

    Please don’t stop. As an engineer it is fascinating to be able to understand your science. You do a much better job then I can explain robotics to the layman. I will get vaccinated for my protection, not the herds. Protected I can live a normal life. Give them an economic choice. If you are vaccinated and catch Covid 19 treatments are free. If you refuse vaccination and get sick you pay. Let the chip fall where they may.

  16. Steve

    I am glad you and your staff are doing so well but I will stick to the real natural approach to immunity rather than this wac-a-mole approach. I have said to everyone from the beginning that there are only three things you need to do to not die from covid.
    1. Vitamin D level above 50
    2. Take no RXs
    3. No flu shot

    I would challenge you to find anyone who died when following those three simple tests. The best thing is that is costs almost no money to get there and would save the country billions in medical costs.

    If people can’t get to that point, then go ahead and take of the risks of the vaccine. I am not opposed to that, but I think my body’s ability to fight off this virus is as good if not better than anyone who has taken the shot. I also am not worried about mutations because real natural immunity can fight off and recover from all types of viruses.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      There is no data to support your statements. In fact, there are studies that seem to show a protective effect of Vitamin D levels, but those effects are NOT anywhere near a 100% guarantee against severe COVID and death.

  17. Jacquelyn A Adams

    After becoming a Regenexx patient I have had tremendous respect and awe in what you accomplish. I’ve read your blogs and felt they were solidly in a small category of reliability based on science and fact that you schooled us on. That’s schooling is the missing link for many skeptics. I hope you take a well deserved break and are able to conclude that we deserve to see the science progress. I am hoping to see your test results in a few months as there seems to be concern over the longevity of protection. You see, here in New York we’ve been told that the regular folks will see their jab in 7 months. I’m sitting solidly on that line between green and blue craving knowledge and education. Thanks for all you’ve done.

  18. Jason

    Dr C – why would a person who had the infection need the vaccine, when the latest studies show long-term robust immunity to Corona virus in the wild? Furthermore, the vaccine, as an injection into the blood, bypasses the development of mucosal immunity that natural exposure would.

    According to the FDA Chief (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/how-life-might-look-like-t.html), up to 30% of all Americans will have been infected by the virus by the end of January. Would it not be smarter for those people to get an antibody test first, if they did not have confirmed symptoms and PCR test, as the CDC states 40% of those infected are asymptomatic? The antibody test is a fraction of the cost of the PCR test ($45), and this way, those would did not have the infection and lack the protection, can be prioritized.

    Thoughts?

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      People can certainly get antibody tested and if their IgG titer is high, then they’re likely fine. However, as a public health strategy, this won’t work as it would overwhelm our already strained testing capacity. From a practical standpoint, if you plan on traveling anyplace, they will likely only accept a vaccination card.

  19. framistat

    As with any vaccine, it’s not just the active ingredient, it’s the adjuvant(s) if any, and preservatives.

    I don’t know the source of the following (supposedly an epidemiologist’s post) but it is concerning when combined with this article:

    People who have received the mRNA injections have been injected with polyethylene glycol (PEG).
    PEG has never been used before in any injected medication.
    There are documented cases of anaphylaxis from PEG when it gets into the bloodstream after GI procedures, where PEG is used in bowel prep solutions.
    Once PEG gets into the bloodstream, the body forms anti-PEG antibodies. Once someone has anti-PEG antibodies, they are at increased risk of severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, if they ingest PEG, or put it on their skin.
    This is a problem, because PEG is literally EVERYWHERE.
    Because PEG has never been injected before, and because PEG is being injected now in the mRNA jabs, it is a reasonable conclusion that a lot of people are going to develop anti-PEG antibodies that will put them at increased risk of severe reactions when they take medications or use other products that contain PEG. For instance, it’s an inactive ingredient on some OTV meds and personal care products.
    Furthermore, Pfizer has already made the vax available to the control group, which means no monitoring of long term side effects.

    I remember being injected with cheap Optimark gadolinium contrast twice, a few months apart (needlessly) – just felt lousy the first time, the second time I had terrible flu-like exhaustion and frothy dark urine. It took years before a black box warning was added.

    I am also concerned that those who have recovered from the virus are being told to get the vaccine anyway. There is little to no data to support this approach.

    Please don’t dismiss those who resist. A lot of us have been harmed by allopathic medicine. Once it happens to you, your eyes are opened and you never see a doctor and his medications and surgeries the same way again.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      This is all false. PEG is used in laxatives. It’s implanted all over the body in many medical devices. So the idea that people will die from PEG exposure is absurd. Please get vaccinated.

  20. Joseph D. O'Connell

    Back on December 17, 2020 you wrote a blog in which you said that:

    “Your immune system can kill foreign invaders one of two main ways. The first is called the humoral system and it uses primarily B- cells. This is when your body creates antibodies to an antigen on the cell surface of the invader. These antibodies then mark the invader for destruction by the body’s defense cells. This is the main COVID narrative you hear about the immune system these days. Meaning that you must develop antibodies to the virus. However, there’s another type of immune response that doesn’t require antibodies…”

    In describing this other type of immune response you go on to say ” they develop a level of cellular, but not humoral immunity”

    I have one question: Will the Moderna Vaccine in any way reduce a person cellular immunity to the
    Corona virus or to any other invader of the body?

    I pray that you are able to answer this question in the negative as I have signed up to receive the Moderna Vaccine and expect to do so soon. Should you have to answer in the positive I will still elect to receive the vaccine but will do so with
    somewhat less enthusiasm.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      Joe, I would have little doubt that there is both humoral and cellular immunity with the Moderna vaccine.

  21. Klaus Buechner

    Thank you Dr Centeno! I think this blog will help to undo the skepticism that many have regarding the vaccines. They are the only real solutions to beat this virus! Moreover, we need to deploy vaccines globally to ensure ongoing success.

  22. Paul V Ames

    Excellent blog Dr C, you’ve got it right. I greatly enjoyed your picking apart the stats & noting the erratic media coverage of Covid, but anything that helps anti-vaxxers endanger us all might best be left unsaid. If only mask deniers & anti-vaxxers were the only ones likely to suffer for their ignorance – but alas, these sad examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect put the rest of us in jeopardy. Thnx.

  23. Stephen Brodsky

    Are you advocating that fragile, elderly people receive the vaccine? What about those allergic to penicillin and their derivatives? What about people with auto-immune disorders?

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      Yes, they all should get this vaccine. Older patients especially. An allergy to penicillin would have nothing to do with this vaccine. Yes, patients with autoimmune issues should get it as well as they are at higher risk for severe COVID-19.

  24. Margaret Martin

    Will terribly miss your Covid blogs. I completely understand your rationale on putting the blogs on hold. Thanks for all your research during this crisis.

  25. Richard

    My Dad was a physician in WWII through 1980. We, his kids, were given smallpox, polio vaccine and anything else he thought was necessary. You are so right about the herd has to be vaccinated to stop the pandemic and I get really irritated with those who want to be naysayers and non-maskers. And I am truly disappointed with finding your last post first (a friend forwarded it), but I understand your reasons. God bless, you, your family and staff.

  26. Jen

    I would love your opinion on a recent video about the vaccines. http://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com is the website. Click on videos from the drop down and go to Jan 14 video, As someone in the Pharma industry for over 30 years, I find this very disturbing along with much else that seems to be happening in the US these days. I am a hard no on the vaccine as it is not even an actual vaccine. I am not an anti-vaxer and usually get a flu vaccine each year. Moderna is a gene therapy company. I love your blog and hope my husband will one day get a stem cell procedure (live near PA center) but I can’t agree with this so-called vaccine push for a virus that has a 95% cure rate for the higher risk populations and a 99% cure rate for most other populations. People are being pushed into the vaccine due to all the shut-downs. We just need to return to a normal life and treat those that get the virus with appropriate medications

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      These are the same Dr. Mercola arguments that don’t hold water. The studies were done on more than 70,000 human subjects. We’re now up to TENS OF MILLIONS of doses delivered. So even if there were 100 deaths linked directly to the vaccines, a 1 in 300,000 or so serious complication rate is about as safe as any medicine known to man gets. As an example, your likelihood of dying from a GI bleed from taking Motrin at the grocery store for 60 days is 1 in 1,200. That’s the main issue here. The public believes that medical care is safe. Or at least that they have no chance of dying. However, physicians look at risk/benefit equations all day. They know that certain procedures they might recommend for a patient could have serious side effects including death. Hence, if you give us a therapy that could save hundreds of thousands of lives that has a risk of 1 in several hundred thousand, we’re in…

  27. Katie H

    Hi Dr. Centeno! This is a wonderful voice. We need more doctors to come out and be vocal about this subject.

    Question for you because I tried calling your clinic but could not get through: does your clinic perform prolotherapy? Or only stem cell and PRP injections?

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      Yes, we perform prolotherapy. Which number did you call?

  28. Stacey Kaufman

    When we are silent we are complicit. I’m upset that others have made you feel that your voice would be more harmful than helpful; We need your voice😢

  29. Russ

    I am surprised you seem to be such a Vaccine supporter. I would love to see a debate between you and Gary Null who has a PHD in public health and has been studying the vaccine industry for decades. I tried to get you on his daily show years ago to discuss regenerative medicine but was unable to get his office to do it but I think the audience would benefit greatly. I do not have the education myself to counter your assertions seen in your various replies to posters here that there is no evidence to support their claims. You need to be challenged on air to someone like Gary who can give you the evidence that your blog posters have not provided. Gary is a huge proponent of formal research and academics to support his point of view and I would be very surprised if listeners to that debate would go away with the same glowing endorsement of the Covid vaccines and the vaccine industry that you seem to have. Would you be willing to debate Gary on his daily internet radio program for the benefit of all the Global listeners? I could try and arrange that. He is very professional and courteous and often has challenging interviews with numerous people on his program.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      Not sure Gary actually has a Ph.D. based on my research, so not sure he would come up with anything that I couldn’t handle. See https://lee-phillips.org/null/phd.html Looks like he was awarded a Ph.D. from a school only accredited to award PhDs in the humanities and not science. I’ve seen this same scam many times in reviewing credentials in the stem cell field. Kristin Comella is a great example, as she got her Ph.D. from a Panamanian school that doesn’t actually exist in anything but a website. So there is no shortage of places that will grant you a degree.
      Please get vaccinated so we can end this insanity.

  30. Russ

    Thanks for responding. I followed the link. That article was from 2008. Gary already won a lawsuit regarding the authenticity of his Phd. I don’t have the date. You will also find a slanderous profile of him on Wikipedia and Quackwatch. The same people have been after him for years. That’s what happens when you challenge tyranny. Donald Trump will fill you in on that phenomenon. Unfortunately for Gary’s naysayers he always wins and they always lose. Gary is too smart and tough as nails. Here is a link displaying the letter Gary’s lawyers sent to Wikipedia regarding their online profile of him. I am unaware of any progress in that endeavour.

    https://prn.fm/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Letter-Wikipedia-removal-Gary-Null-Bio.pdf

    Telling Wikipedia to correct his profile is like Donald Trump asking Twitter to open his account. Good Luck!

    I’m surprised you haven’t heard of him by now. I’m sure your too busy with Regenerative medicine. Gary has many best selling books, award winning documentaries, and is an accomplished athlete still competing into his seventies. This list would be way too long with all his achievements.

    https://lastcallfortomorrow.com/about-gary-null/

    I can tell from your reply you don’t believe my description of him and you think I am probably just another naive uneducated fool that has allowed Gary to lull me into his cult. I know your intentions are good. I am a former patient and probable future patient. I wouldn’t have gone to the Cayman Islands three times if I didn’t know how to analyze for myself the difference between truth and Quackery. Gary is the real deal. I will try to include some links below to supplement what you see on the internet regarding his character and credentials, if you have an interest. I know how busy you are. I appreciate what you do. I am not planning on getting a vaccine as per your advice. My sympathies to as you already took it. I expect there will be many more urgings from the Fauci-ites of the world that it is absolutely urgent that we take the latest vaccine to protect ourselves from what’s coming. I agree about one thing. Stop the insanity. I just define insanity differently.

    https://view2.fdu.edu/faculty-staff-profile-pages/gary-null/

    https://prn.fm/who-is-gary-null-new/

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      Do I believe that Gary has a Ph.D. like my chief scientist has a Ph.D.? NO. She went through a multi-year program at CU and here are her publications while a student: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=steinmetz+nj+stem+cells&sort=date She then went through a post-doc in Scotland.
      Gary? A single “study” I can find in PubMed. It’s not really a study but in fact an interview of people that took supplements and made dietary changes. Would that qualify to get your science Ph.D. at a major university? Not in my experience nor opinion.

  31. Russ

    Thank you for your response. I want to take a step back. We’re using the legitimacy or quality of Gary’s Phd as a way of judging the man’s worthiness scientifically. As you would probably agree with, a scientist’s capabilities and wisdom is not singly determined by one’s academic preparation. When their Phd program has been completed the process of learning just begins. Hopefully it will be a process of bringing in the new and letting go of ideas and practices that prove to be inadequate or false. Some individuals don’t grow but embrace their conditioning and indoctrination so they become stuck. It’s important that these formally educated individuals be aware of their conditioning so they still allow themselves to be open to new ideas that may conflict with everything they have been taught to believe. You see this in the conflict between the new approach of Regenerative medicine versus conventionally trained Orthopedists. I would just like to add that Gary’s wisdom and contributions to academia have flourished after his formal educational beginning.

    Here is a link to 45 articles that he and others have co-written on just the topic of vaccines that go back to 2003. I’d be curious to know what you might think of the issues he raises in these articles.

    https://prn.fm/deadly-deception-exposing-dangers-vaccines-film-gary-null/

    Scroll down to see the 45 articles.

    This forum is not appropriate to defend Gary in a comprehensive way that would satisfy me and it wouldn’t be fare to your readers to occupy this space with a continual back and forth debate, as I’m not sure anybody even knows who we’re talking about. Thanks for this forum.

    I know it must be frustrating to you that there is a large group of people out there who will not or are hesitant to take the vaccine.

  32. Joann Bruso

    Dr. Centeno, Thank you for all that do you. After receiving PRP for TN, I have experienced a prolong period of time being pain free. I do take exception to your blog, COVID antibodies. No one is questioning the initial results from the COVID vaccine. Although the vaccine is new, COVID is not. In fact, there have been trials for a mRNA vaccine and the results were good…. INITIALLY. Just as your blog details, the initial results for antibodies were fantastic. It wasn’t until a second exposure to the virus that a HUGE problem developed. There are two kinds of antibodies that were being produced by the coronavirus. There are neutralizing antibodies, which are the kind you want, which fight the disease, and then there are binding antibodies.
    The binding antibodies actually create a pathway for the disease in your body, and they trigger something called … a paradoxical immune response or paradoxical immune enhancement. What that means is that it looks good until you get a wild virus exposure, and then it makes the disease much, much worse. In fact, in the animal trials, every animal died when exposed a second time. The COVID vaccine is a huge experiment on the world. We don’t know the answers yet, and the antibody count is not what you should be looking for.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      This is totally incorrect as I refuted this in a blog. The “study” didn’t involve the SARS-Cov2 virus nor did it involve this type of vaccine.

  33. Joann Bruso

    Dr. Centeno, LifeSiteNews stated concerning the COVID vaccine — “In the development of vaccines against coronaviruses like SARS-COV-1 and MERS in the early 2000’s, researchers found evidence of a serious problem. Teams of U.S. and foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals suffered hyper-immune responses including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs.” They go on to explain this is called “paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon.” https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial-shows-alarming-evidence-of-pathogenic-priming-in-older-adults

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      This study was already debunked in my blog.

  34. Merlon Cox

    Thanks a million for that very knowledgeable, and informative conversation. It really helps to know that there are still medical professionals, who are more concerned about the healing of the Nations, than their bottomlines. May GOD continue to bless you, and your ability to aid in the daily, and long-term health of your fellow brothers, and sisters.

  35. Seth Eisen

    My question is this: your positive IgG antibody results do not indicate if the antibody was for the “spike” IgG antibody. Was it? Will the post vaccine antibody response positivity only be significant if it is specifically for the “spike” protein? Thank you for your time.

    1. Chris Centeno, MD Post author

      Most antibody tests right now are for the unique portion of the spike protein. This one was as well. So these are antibodies against that spike protein.

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